how did it happen in the 90s under president clinton. but also with president bush how did it happen that we got the last two raises that we got? >> in 2007 the democrats were in control of congress. the model was 1996 when you had a democratic president and big clinton. newt gingrich likes to win things. it has been a while since he has but it was at that point still on a roll. you had dick army who was the majority leader who was dead set against it. but the republicans gave into reality for some of the republicans, but the sort of more traditional conservatives, they keep telling people to go to work. we don't want the 47%. how do you turn around and say yes, people should go to work but shouldn't make enough money to live on. this is a subset of the most interesting dynamic in the world today. as i said, will the meanies beat the crazies? >> we are routing for the meanies. overall, are there numbers where the poling becomes so overwhelming? i'm thinking about it on the gun issue in terms of universal background checks. we don't know